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But in most cases of minority rule the liberal court is the one deciding, not the legislature.

 

Mob rule? Give me a :filtered: break Bruce.

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...... When in Rome ......

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So, just because someone doesn't like what me and 100 other people do (which is within the law), they can complain and should be able to get me to stop?

 

Or, how about this: Most of that minority doesn't vote. So then, if they don't take the time to vote, why should they be able to dictate what happens in the government the rest of us participate in?

 

The great thing of democracy is that the majority opinion is what's supposed to count. The only reason this country was founded on the minority having "equal" voice with the majority is because of what happened in England.

 

Lets try a small example: There are 100 people in the entire country. 75 of said people like the internet and want to keep it. 25 want to get rid of it because of porn and the like. Now, should the minority gain special rights over the 75 just because they're a minority? They have tunnel vision and see what they want to see.

 

Minority should be heard just as much as majority. However, majority should rule because it is a majority of the people. This government by the people, for the people. If more of 'the people' want something, then they should win out (even if it's something I myself don't agree with).

 

If the minorities want whatever it is they want, they need to actually work to get a majority and change people's minds about the subject. How did the majority become the majority to begin with?

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It appears my post has stirred quite a controversy! This was not my intention! I have no wish or desire to tell anyone to "sit down and shut up",

with the exception of my grandchildren, in that respect, and that only I reserve that right ,due to age and experience. As for the percentages given in the original letter, there is no documentation that this is even a valid account, so take it with the proverbial "grain of salt."

 

Yes, I do believe in God, do I trust? , thats another question, but I am no religious fanatic by even the wildest stretch of the imagination! and do not ask anyone to do anything they are not comfortable with for any reason. I have had some second thoughts on this after reading everyone's comments here, and felt I should explain my reasons to "comply" with the request. I regard the motto "In God we Trust" more as a national symbol up there with the American eagle, not necessarily a religious icon and for that reason I may now and again add it to any mail I send.

 

As for miniority and/ or majority rule, both need and are entitled to a voice, thats what its all about isn't it? Just as all of you have proven here.

Thank all of you for all your comments, I do appreciate all of your thoughts both pro and con, I only suggest that you follow what is right for you.

 

Thanks again,

W1

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:P They enjoy it willow1 :)

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Another thing: If you don't like the words In God We Trust, stop spending money. This nation was founded on that principle, like it or leave it.

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Time for Americans to take back their country.

we technically are not the original owners............

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Time for Americans to take back their country.

we technically are not the original owners............

That may be,,but we done screwed it up so much they may not want it back now!! :mrgreen: v

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Time for Americans to take back their country.

we technically are not the original owners............

coun·try (kŭn'trç)

n., pl. -tries.

 

A nation or state.

The territory of a nation or state; land.

The people of a nation or state; populace: The whole country will profit from the new economic reforms.

The land of a person's birth or citizenship: Foreign travel is restricted in his country.

A region, territory, or large tract of land distinguishable by features of topography, biology, or culture: hill country; Bible country.

An area or expanse outside cities and towns; a rural area: a vacation in the country.

Law. A jury.

Informal. Country music.

 

Guess we are! :P

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We need to take back our country. I say we step up our non-existant border patrol and not let any immigrants in anymore.

 

There may be a technicality there, but the same is true for the entire earth. If you don't keep your land, someone's going to take it. Not that I approve of what we did...

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you want to do the very opposite of what helped our country be what it is(prosperous)......not allow any immigrants?

i dont know what history book you read in school, but in my last civics class(2 years ago), we learned that immigrants basically made this country, especially in early 1900's( not literally made, but definitely strengthened)

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Whether one belives in God or Gods or no God or Gods is irrelevant. Among the founding principles of this country was that the govt. should not impose or coerce a religion or religious belief upon its peoples. The motto, which is of relatively recent origin (at least where it is used and how it is used on money), is not among the original symbols like the Eagle. I encourage you or anyone else to right "In God We Trust" on anything you like. You may tatto it repeatedly on your body if you like. But you should not expect that because you like the phrase it should appear as a commercial on our money. :)

 

& Willow I agree with MrFred

 

"So, just because someone doesn't like what me and 100 other people do (which is within the law), they can complain and should be able to get me to stop?" Yes. This is how laws are made. For example 15 years ago The legal age for alcohol consumption in most of the United States was 18. At least 101 18 year olds were drinking. A minority (probably) decided that that was too young and the congress passed legislation prohibiting the distribution of highway funds to states that did not have a minimum drinking age of 21. States decided they wanted the money, changed their drinking laws and now 18 year olds that drink are criminals.

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Whether one belives in God or Gods or no God or Gods is irrelevant. Among the founding principles of this country was that the govt. should not impose or coerce a religion or religious belief upon its peoples. The motto, which is of relatively recent origin (at least where it is used and how it is used on money), is not among the original symbols like the Eagle. I encourage you or anyone else to right "In God We Trust" on anything you like. You may tatto it repeatedly on your body if you like. But you should not expect that because you like the phrase it should appear as a commercial on our money. :)

 

& Willow I agree with MrFred

 

"So, just because someone doesn't like what me and 100 other people do (which is within the law), they can complain and should be able to get me to stop?" Yes. This is how laws are made. For example 15 years ago The legal age for alcohol consumption in most of the United States was 18. At least 101 18 year olds were drinking. A minority (probably) decided that that was too young and the congress passed legislation prohibiting the distribution of highway funds to states that did not have a minimum drinking age of 21. States decided they wanted the money, changed their drinking laws and now 18 year olds that drink are criminals.

Hogwash. A ridiculous and unsubstantiated example. I would think you could do better.

 

Try these where the minority imposed or tried to impose their will on the majority via the liberal courts and/or ACLU:

 

http://archive.aclu.org/news/n122497b.html

 

http://www.skepticfiles.org/aclu/07_22_94.htm

 

http://www.hillsdale.edu/collegian/article.../boyscouts.html

 

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/8/22002a.asp

 

http://www.covenantnews.com/baldwin020702.htm

 

ad nauseum.....

 

Time to take our Country back.

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I just checked and every last dollar I have in my wallet says "In God We Trust" on it. I find that offensive, so I'm going to go spend every last one of them. And then, I will move to a Godless country.

 

Wait a minute... I've been in Godless countries with no money before. That's a stupid idea. Nevermind.

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"So, just because someone doesn't like what me and 100 other people do (which is within the law), they can complain and should be able to get me to stop?" Yes. This is how laws are made. For example 15 years ago The legal age for alcohol consumption in most of the United States was 18. At least 101 18 year olds were drinking. A minority (probably) decided that that was too young and the congress passed legislation prohibiting the distribution of highway funds to states that did not have a minimum drinking age of 21. States decided they wanted the money, changed their drinking laws and now 18 year olds that drink are criminals.

Actually a google search showed that a majority of voting age (18) Americans favored this decision. ;)

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Yes, immigrants made this country, as my ancestors were all from Germany and Poland. But the country is done being "built". Once a cake is finished, you don't keep adding eggs to it.

 

As for the ACLU, those people are out to destroy everything the US stands for. In God We Trust is only one thing on their agenda. Other things they want to change are issues such as guns, going to Church, the internet, home privacy, and a plethora of others.

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Excuse me, sorry to interupt. It may not be my place to say, but when the United States was formed, God was a part of it. When the pledge was wrote, God was a part of it....In other words, if you take out God, then you destroy something that is a part of the U.S. past....what next, dump the statue of liberty, crack the liberty bell completely in half and dump it in the trash pile? If God is and has been a major role of the United States...(money, pledge, song "America" etc...) then why question it now after all those years. If it offends an immigrant, then they should return to the country that they must miss. Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone. :blush::oreo:

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god wasnt in the original pledge of allegance, it was added sometime in the 50's or the 60's

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Thats right God was "not" in the original pledge of allegiance. It was added in 1957.

 

In God we trust was added to our money after the civil war. Niether the pledge nor our money originally had God in them.

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Excuse me, sorry to interupt. It may not be my place to say, but when the United States was formed, God was a part of it. When the pledge was wrote, God was a part of it....In other words, if you take out God, then you destroy something that is a part of the U.S. past....what next, dump the statue of liberty, crack the liberty bell completely in half and dump it in the trash pile? If God is and has been a major role of the United States...(money, pledge, song "America" etc...) then why question it now after all those years. If it offends an immigrant, then they should return to the country that they must miss. Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone. :blush::oreo:

And it took a Canadian to remind us of this...

 

Cheers Canadian Bit.

 

Jeez folks, think about it. Af the time of the Civil War, we were just getting started. Must I remind you that we are a relatively young nation? Money has changed a lot over the years...how about we go back to currency backed by gold, the old dollar bills (you know, we only just changed to what we know as the dollar bills), lets have money expire.

 

In God We Trust is a declaration of what this nation was founded on. It declares to the entire world that We (the US) trusts in God. We realized we have God, and only God to thank for making us into the great nation we are, and our pledge and money are a tribute to Him. Must I remind you that the US dollar is next to none?

 

And why, just because it was just added 50 years ago does that mean it's ok to take it out? Where's the sense in that? Uh yeah, we only just added it in 57, lets go ahead and take it out.

 

You know, I'm a minority. I want the words In God We Trust and Under God to stay where they're at. In these views, the 'minorities' are the majority and I'm the true minority...thus, to save the bad majority of minorities, they government should listen to me and do what I want (according to your logic).

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When the US was founded, slavery was an accepted institution and women did not have the right to vote. We have made many refinements to our laws and culture over time. We will either continue to refine things or stagnate and go into decline.

 

Tying our pledge of allegiance to God seems to leave atheists in a bit of a dilemma. If they pledge allegiance to the US they are also professing belief in God. So are atheists welcome in the US, or should they just overlook the lie they commit by reciting the pledge?

 

There seems to be an ever-increasing fear, heightened by terrorist attacks, that is justifying many things that we would have never tolerated only a few years ago. People are being held, without bail or open court hearings, for months at a time. Their money and property is being taken without due process and they are requried to prove themselves innocent to recover it. Are some of these people guilty? Without a doubt. Does that justify suspending the US Constitution for all of them because they're suspected of being "terrorists" or "criminals"? Not by me.

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I pledge allegiance to the Flag

Of the United States of America

And to the Republic for which It stands

One Nation, Under God

Indivisible

With Liberty and Justice fer all

 

Where in there does it say that you believe in God? All it says is that the Nation is under God. It doesn't say One Nation, every person under God.

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