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Do you think I did major damage both computers by cold rebooting so many times within a three week period?

 

I never ever have had to cold reboot so many times.

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Thank you for the information.

 

Given that there will probably be a major kernel update from 13.10 to 14.04 I think it might be safer for me to wait until the April release.

 

In the meantime, I would also like to know how to update the Intel drivers since the manual Installer does not appear to work with Kubuntu. I would rather utilize the computer with the Intel driver.

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You are still using or trying to use a "daily build" distribution?

 

It is for testing and debugging only. If you do not have the skills for debugging, testing and reporting issues then you shouldn't be using it all.

 

Also Kubuntu is no longer supported and developed by Ubuntu and hasn't been for almost two years now and to be honest I wouldn't recommend using it all. There are much better KDE based distributions available. At least try and choose one that is supported by the distribution it is being built upon.

 

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/8/2784225/canonical-ends-kubuntu-support

 

https://www.google.com/#q=kubuntu+not+supported+by+canonical

 

If you insist on using Kubuntu then at least use what they call their stable release which is 13.10 http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu

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Do you think I did major damage both computers by cold rebooting so many times within a three week period?

no.

 

 

I would rather utilize the computer with the Intel driver.

shouldn't be a problem, you either compile them yourself against the kernel your running or your distro will have them already compiled and in it's official repo.

 

these links should have all the info you need about intel graphics drivers.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_Graphics

https://01.org/linuxgraphics/

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=13815

http://www.x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver/

http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/how-to-use-intel-linux-graphics-drivers.html

 

but like we've said before the first thing you want to do is download and install a regular released distro of your choice, i'd suggest mint or suse over kubuntu, but if you want to stick with kubuntu then install the 13.10 version come july when it's upgraded you will find it is an easy no hassle process just like the early link showed and everything should just carry on working as before without you having to do anything like find new intel drivers.

 

:b33r:

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Thank you for all of that terrific information. I really appreciate it. However when I run the Intel Graphics Installer I keep getting a "distribution failed" error so there is no way for me to update the Intel Drivers. I imagine this will happen no matter what Linus distro I utilize. So I have to figure out how to fix that error before I try any other distro even Kubuntu 13.10. And I haven't found the answer yet. I would have no idea how to compile a kernel. Based upon the fact that I have tried and failed 17 times to get even Kubuntu to work I would say I am a dummy when it comes to computers. And I have no idea how to fix the Intel error. I even get the error on a fresh install.

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there is no way for me to update the Intel Drivers. I imagine this will happen no matter what Linus distro I utilize.

incorrect, the installer works with ubuntu 13.10 and 13.04 also fedora 17 and 18 from my understanding. so should work with kubuntu 13.10 i'd say seeing how it's ubuntu 13.10 based.

 

even if the installer doesn't work you can still update the intel drivers, what you need to understand tho is that you are not compiling a kernel, what your doing is compiling the intel driver to the kernel your using, which is usually just means installing all dependencies first then using a make install command. all instructions can be found from those earlier links or with the read me's that come with the intel graphics driver you download from intel site..

 

personally tho what you really want to do is stick to a "SUPPORTED DISTRO" and i think you'll find it just works with the intel drivers or will already have the needed repo for them.

 

i'm sorry but i'm getting a bit fed up repeating myself, and until you download and install kubuntu 13.10 and try that i think i'm just wasting my time trying to help you, because we're just going round and round in circles now.

 

like i said in last post read those links and i think you'll find everything you need to know about the intel drivers and how to install and keep them upto date.

 

:b33r:

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I very much apologize. I am just beginning to learn about Linux. The links were great but most of the information presented was way way way over my head. I did post about the "Distribution failed" issue.

 

You quote: "even if the installer doesn't work you can still update the intel drivers"

 

I could not find any information on how to do that within the links you provided. Is there an updated graphics driver I can download rather than going through the installer? If there is I missed reading that information. If the instructions were there I once again apologize. I would like to see if I can update the drivers before I download 13.10. Why download 13.10 if I can't update the drivers? Obviously I am doing something wrong or else I would not be receiving error messages. So I gotta figure out what I am doing wrong first.

 

When I downloaded Kubuntu, I don't know a darn thing about Linux or even about computers in that regard. I just downloaded a daily build on a whim because I thought it would be a newer distro and thought I would try it out. Seventeen times later I still don't have it right.

 

I very much apologize for wasting everyone's time. At least all of you responded to my post. On Ubuntu and elsewhere I didn't get one single response. So thank you so much for your input. I do very much appreciate the efforts that have been given to help me.

 

When a faster internet connection becomes available I will be able to download 13.10. It would take all night on my home computer and my computer has the habit of cutting off the connection after a certain period of time. I was lucky during the Holidays that one of my neighbors allowed me to download Kubuntu on their really fast cable connection while they were out Christmas shopping.

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I very much apologize for wasting everyone's time.

you haven't really, so no need to apologise, just i never knew about your slow connection so couldn't understand why you insist on sticking to the daily build you've installed.

 

ok lets start from the beginning.

 

first tell us exactly what your pc specifications are, cpu type, graphics card are what we really need to know.

 

i assume you want to run with just the intel cpu graphics and don't have a dedicated graphics card in the machine but just in case answer the above please.

 

next run the" uname -r" command in a terminal so we know exactly what kernel your running, then i'll see if i can find the correct driver for your cpu graphics and find some good install instructions for you.

 

because you have such a slow connection tho, some of our members that live closer than me may offer to help you and send you a dvd of a "proper distro" :mrgreen:

either ubuntu or suse usually so don't be surprised if you get a pm from 1 or 2 offering to help you.

 

we always try and help new users here because we're a friendly bunch even if we don't always agree on the best distro to use and sometimes sound grumpy or come across as being terse. :laughing:

 

so anyway please answer the questions and then we'll see what we can do to get you up and running with the latest intel drivers.

 

:b33r:

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i found this that might work for you so you can use the intel installer on whatever kubuntu version your running.

 

 

of course it works
sudo gedit /etc/lsb-release

and change it to this
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=13.10
DISTRIB_CODENAME=saucy
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 13.10"

don't close gedit

save it
run the installer again. when installer is done go back in gedit and undo all changes. save it again. and now u can reboot the computer.

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=152486

 

here's the latest intel installer released just a few days ago too. :- https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/intelr-graphics-installer-1.0.3-linux

 

:b33r:

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Thank you so much! I really appreciate this very much!

 

I have a P4 Dell Dimension 2400 with Integrated Intel Graphics. I believe the Intel Graphics Driver is 82845G or it could be the 845.

 

The black screen or hanging on the boot-up spash screen only occurs upon a kernel update. The last kernel update that I tried to boot with was 3.13.0.5.

 

The kernel may have been updated since.

 

Upon a fresh install I do get a KWin Crash if I go into System Settings and try and access the "Screen Saver" settings.

 

But that is the only error I receive upon a fresh install.

 

I will do a fresh install of the Kubuntu daily build within the next three days and integrate the possible fix you sent to me and post my results.

 

Once again, thank you!

 

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don't do a fresh install there really is no need assuming you get to a desktop always using the failsafe mode.

 

we can try any suggestions from there and when you do a reboot to normal mode it will either get to a desktop or not depending on if what we've tried worked.

 

ignore that first bit just read this again.

The black screen or hanging on the boot-up spash screen only occurs upon a kernel update.

so you can't get to any desktop environment. :mrgreen:

 

just had a thought that might make things easier, when you do a clean install first thing to do before anything else is to delete every repos that distro is currently using and add the official kubuntu 13.10 repo's then do a full update/upgrade of the system. i believe that will install the official 13.10 kernel that should work with the linux installer in fact it will be more or less exactly the same as if you downloaded and installed kubuntu 13.10 in the first place and solve many of the problems your experiencing fingers crossed.

 

these links should tell you how to do the above :-

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu_Saucy_Packages_and_Repositories

 

:b33r:

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Quote: "don't do a fresh install there really is no need assuming you get to a desktop always using the failsafe mode."

 

Unfortunately if I don't have a working keyboard or mouse in recovery mode I can't do anything.

 

Ok here is what I just finished experimenting with:

 

1. Fresh install-everything worked fine

 

2. I did a kernel update to 3.13.05

 

3. Through your instructions above I was able to get the Graphics Installer to work!! Finally! Thank you!

 

4. Unfortunately. . .it appears the Graphics Installer only installed a new driver. . .it appears it did not correlate with the kernel update at all. . .because. . .as soon as I rebooted. . .

 

I got the boot up splash screen way way over to the left of the monitor with only the last two letters showing the "t" and the "u". . .and it froze right there with no working keyboard or mouse. . .always the Kubuntu spash screen logo has always appeared in the middle. . .not experienced this before. . .

 

did a cold reboot for the 18th time. . .

 

went into recovery mode. . .had a split screen of text. . .half on the left and half on the right with a big space down the middle. . .and no working keyboard or mouse. . .cold reboot for the 19th time.

 

Quote: "The black screen or hanging on the boot-up spash screen only occurs upon a kernel update. . .

. . . so you can't get to any desktop environment"

 

That is correct and I also have no working keyboard or mouse when it hangs. Cold reboot is the only way. . .

 

Then when I do a cold reboot I am able to get into GRUB (if I hold down the shift key). . .but I don't have a working keyboard or mouse after GRUB appears so I have no way of doing anything but another cold reboot. . .

 

and. . .after I got into GRUB this time there was a split screen as I described above with no working keyboard or mouse. . .could not do anything but a cold reboot. . .never have had a split screen before like that. . .it was really weird. . .you could not even read half the text as it was way off to the right or to the left. . .

 

This is the way the system stands now. . .I haven't done anything else. . .

 

I could do another fresh install and follow your instructions above if that may help

 

Also some of the repos show "404 not found". I will prepare a list of the ones that do show that error and post.

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Here are the repos that are showing a "404 not found":

 

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers

 

 

Is it because I am utilizing a developmental build?

 

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I don't remember where I read this information but I have been doing a lot of research since my last failure as stated above:

 

Apparently the current Intel driver update released in December (I think) only supports kernel versions no higher than 3.12.

 

The current kernel version that has been released is 3.13.

 

The kernel version in the fresh install daily build which I downloaded on 1/6/14 is 3.12.

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You are still using or trying to use a "daily build" distribution?

 

It is for testing and debugging only. If you do not have the skills for debugging, testing and reporting issues then you shouldn't be using it all.

 

Also Kubuntu is no longer supported and developed by Ubuntu and hasn't been for almost two years now and to be honest I wouldn't recommend using it all. There are much better KDE based distributions available. At least try and choose one that is supported by the distribution it is being built upon.

 

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/8/2784225/canonical-ends-kubuntu-support

 

https://www.google.com/#q=kubuntu+not+supported+by+canonical

 

If you insist on using Kubuntu then at least use what they call their stable release which is 13.10 http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu

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I don't remember where I read this information but I have been doing a lot of research since my last failure as stated above:

 

Apparently the current Intel driver update released in December (I think) only supports kernel versions no higher than 3.12.

 

The current kernel version that has been released is 3.13.

 

The kernel version in the fresh install daily build which I downloaded on 1/6/14 is 3.12.

yes that is why your getting all the problems, you can compile the driver to the new kernel but that is not the road we want to go down.

 

read this :- http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu_Saucy_Packages_and_Repositories

do clean a re-install don't even connect it to the internet when installing, then remove all repo's it currently uses, now connect to internet and add the repo's listed in link and do a distro update/upgrade.

 

this link may help you too :- https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?63985-HOW-TO-Revert-installed-packages-to-official-release-versions

 

just for your info the kernel my distro uses at the moment is "3.7.10-1.24-desktop" so as you can see even your daily build 3.12 kernel is way ahead of what most stable distros are using for their os.

 

fingers crossed you should now have a more or less standard 3.10 version of kubuntu with everything working. :mrgreen:

 

:b33r:

 

to be honest with the amount of time you've spent trying to get this to work, you could have downloaded the official kubuntu 13.10 version and installed it and had everything working by now. :laughing:

Edited by terry1966

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Thank you once again for your help.

 

I am downloading Lubuntu today. Not as big of a file. I can put it on a CD. May work better on my old hardware. Then when I get to a computer with a very fast connection I will try out Kubuntu 13.10.

 

I will follow your instructions as you have posted above.

 

Thank you again for all of the assistance.

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no need to follow those instructions if your going to install lubuntu, and once that's installed and up and running you can always install the kde desktop to make it kubuntu if you wanted and switch between the two different desktops. :mrgreen:

 

:b33r:

Edited by terry1966

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After 6 fresh installs, 6 frozen screens, 6 cold reboots, on the seventh try, I finally got Lubuntu to work. . .sort of.

 

At least I got to a Desktop. . .

 

The Intel Graphics Installer doesn't work

 

I cannot change advanced settings for User

 

The Software Updater keeps crashing

 

I am throwing in the towel. . .Thank you for all of your help. . .I very much appreciate all the efforts. . .but I just can't seem to get Linux to work on my old computer. . .

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OK. . .thank you for the information. . .you have been a terrific help. . .

 

I was so frustrated I tried again for the 8th time. . .I may be dumb at computers but I don't think I am that dumb. . .

 

So again the 8th time after installation I got a black screen and nothing more. . .so I did a cold reboot (again).

 

Why do I keep getting a black screen after installation?

 

Again after the cold reboot I was able to get to the Desktop. Why is that?

 

I did a upgrade and a dist upgrade through the terminal rather than through the Software Updater which keeps crashing

 

I did not run the Intel Graphics Installer. . .instead entered the PPA's for Intel Graphics

 

The Intel driver did update when I did an upgrade and a dist upgrade through the terminal command.

 

Then things started to work just a little better.

 

Still cannot change user settings and I am still getting an error message when I run the Software Updater.

 

But at least I can reboot and no more black screens or frozen keyboard or mouse! Well. . .so far anyway. . .

 

I will keep OpenSuse in mind but being that it is almost a 5GB download it would take a week on my computer to download.

 

Thank you again for all the assistance. I certainly have learned a lot. Or should I say I have learned I suck at computers.

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to be honest i don't think i've ever tried installing any distro on a pc that used intel graphics, i had thought they were built into the kernel and were pretty stable so you shouldn't have had all the black screen problems you've had, seems i was wrong.

now you have the intel repo added and are running the current release version 13.10 of lubuntu you shouldn't have any more black screen problems.

 

no idea why you can't change any settings or why your getting an error message with the software updater, but we can work on that if the want, as to the suse distro (one i use.) yes the dvd is 5GB and the is best way to install, but you can also download the kde live cd which is much smaller and use that to do a clean install.

 

can you tell us what your kernel is now and list your repo's also what is the exact error message your getting?

 

what happens if you boot into failsafe mode, can you change the settings and do a software update from there?

 

:b33r:

Edited by terry1966

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The old Intel graphics aka 810/915 do not work very well with Intel's newer drivers.

 

Basically Intel doesn't support them very well.

 

Mesa drivers should work just fine, or fbdev, vesa

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I believe the video drivers is why I was having trouble rebooting after installation and had to do a cold boot to even get to the Desktop. I was able to update the video driver and since that time I have not had any problems booting to the Desktop, although I still cannot access User account settings where I would like to disable the sending of files over the internet. I wish I knew what folder that setting was located in so I can disable it within the folder.

 

Lubuntu is working better. I am able to update via the terminal.

 

Thanks once again for all the help that has been provided to me. I have learned a lot.

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I have never heard of a directory that all by itself just sends files over the internet without a user setting up such a thing.

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