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8.1 will have an option to either boot to desktop or even disable metro. either way, windows 8 is essentially windows 7 with metro. microsoft made the mistake of thinking people would want a smartphone / tablet type interface for all their devices, and it's simply not the case.

 

it really doesn't matter, everyone knows every other windows os is terrible. let's see what they do with windows 9.

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I loved XP, I think W7 is one of the best OS's MS have released - But they do have a track history of shooting themselves in the foot, ME, Vista and now W8. I think this is the last straw. This move really is a sign of desperation. The improvements in Linux OS's are making them super user friendly and not as scary to normal PC users, the growth in the tablet/smartphone market, in which MS are basically caught in a 'perfect storm' between Apple and Google, and like the boat from the film....they will sink.

 

Wait for Apple to crack the whole phone/ desktop UI experience and then steal it. That's the only way MS will make this work.

 

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I loved XP, I think W7 is one of the best OS's MS have released - But they do have a track history of shooting themselves in the foot, ME, Vista and now W8. I think this is the last straw. This move really is a sign of desperation. The improvements in Linux OS's are making them super user friendly and not as scary to normal PC users, the growth in the tablet/smartphone market, in which MS are basically caught in a 'perfect storm' between Apple and Google, and like the boat from the film....they will sink.

 

Wait for Apple to crack the whole phone/ desktop UI experience and then steal it. That's the only way MS will make this work.

 

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I agree Nigsy, Windows 7 was one of the best Windows releases ever. Microsoft should have taken it and built upon it's speed, clean looks and functionality. Instead the chose the old way of totally screwing things up. The difference this time around is now they are in a competitive market. That is something Microsoft is not used to. Unfortunately for Microsoft they have grown so large over the years that they simply can't adapt quickly, By the time they figure things out, the rest of the industry is 10 steps ahead of them.

 

I think the article hits the nail on the head. While some see it simply as MS bashing, it really isn't. In fact ZDNET is and always has been one of Microsoft's biggest promoters. When they come out and say it's horribly broken and may have done irreparable harm even fanboys should take notice. ;)

 

The article correctly points out that Microsoft went down a path that others like gnome, and Unity in Ubuntu have gone down is lost on some people.

 

The only difference is Microsoft has much more to lose, and doesn't have the ability to change, and adapt quickly enough, they simply are not a nimble company anymore. With Apple, Google, Linux, Android, and others Microsoft can't simply buy out and crush competition in it's old "Embrace, extend, and exterminate" method of doing things. They have to actually compete on the merits of producing good products. They are losing ground hand over fist.

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i hope linux can eat a huge chunk of market share from microsoft. good competition is good for everyone. so far the linux experiments to get it to the regular everyday users have failed in the pc market, but i hold hope for chrome os.

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Google made a terrible operating system GUI too?

 

Nope, just saying since you rail against everything Windows/Microsoft, that when it is finally "over" for them, thank goodness we'll have Google to vent on. As I've maintained for some time, the days of "do no harm'' is far, far gone for Google.

 

https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&rlz=1G1SNNT_ENUS425&q=google+lawsuits&oq=google+lawsuits&gs_l=igoogle.3...814010.822310.0.823261.17.10.1.6.6.0.200.1355.3j6j1.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.KloAEhUqT40

 

:)

 

Not to mention Apple.... :laughing:

Edited by flyfishingrules2

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i hope linux can eat a huge chunk of market share from microsoft. good competition is good for everyone. so far the linux experiments to get it to the regular everyday users have failed in the pc market, but i hold hope for chrome os.

Linux is eating a huge chunk of Microsoft and Apples market share.

 

Linux happens to be the worlds number one operating system on phones, and embedded devices. Android is after all "Linux".

 

As far as the desktop goes, well I don't see Linux conquering that until people who are stuck in the 90's wake up to the fact that they are....................stuck in the 90's :lol:

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well, people like to stick with what they know. the windows 8 debacle is a great opportunity for them to take advantage of, though.

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No they stick with what the stores will sell them. What is being offered is what is changing, thus the Microsoft decline. ;)

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They were not available in stores and they were selling for $50 dollars more, besides the fact that they ran gnome, and were not configured correctly right from the factory. That said Dell is struggling.

 

Offering a computer for 50 bucks more with an operating system with a terrible GUI just isn't going to sell.................as Microsoft is now finding out ;)

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nah, at the time the linux laptops were actually a tad cheaper. i remember it well, i was working for them at the time. there simply isn't any consumer interest in using linux because it isn't what they're used to. people do not like to change brands once their used to something, that's the truth when it comes to any consumer product. even the soccer mom who can barely email knows microsoft but doesn't have a clue about linux.

 

the linux community needs to do a much better job on reaching those people. android and chrome may be linux's great hope for that, but there's another problem there: people are recognizing phones for the manufacturer, not the os.

 

http://bgr.com/2013/02/04/android-galaxy-brand-recognition-analysis-315797/

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The Linux "community" isn't interested in reaching those people.

 

The Mark Shuttleworths are. They use marketing techniques that are successful for the jump on the latest bandwagon types, but fail miserably when others actually see what they have to offer.

 

The "community" is perfectly content with what they produce and where itis headed. They are patient, not focused soley on the watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat, it slices, it dices, it will make your viagra obsolete adds........

 

If you meant to say a "business" should create a distribution aimed at windows users, well that has also been done in the past, and those failed bigger and faster than any others.

 

The ones that have survived all along are still out there, still evolving, and still growing. Most are not looking for overnight success in the brick and mortar stores.

 

DVD players, televisions, PVR boxes, tablets, smart phones, routers, set top boxes, e-readers, and thousands of other devices are already being used by millions and millions of people. They are proving they don't care what the operating system is, they want devices that work, without cumbersome GUI's that get in the way of functionality. That is why Linux is succeeding, and will continue to succeed and grow even more in the future.

 

Then you have the server and corporate world which has been making the change for a decade now,

 

Market share is far more then just the desktop PC. It is growing and expanding all without Microsoft.

 

It is just a matter of time before all the old I simply can't get away from warmed over win95 interface people slide into oblivion and the new generation of users continue to make the kinds of purchases they have been. Very few of which are run by Microsoft, and the ones that are, are failing miserably.

 

Windows 8 is making windows ME and Vista look like huge success stories :rofl3:

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so you're saying that businesses that promote linux such as google aren't part of the linux community? interesting...

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Google doesn't "promote Linux". They promote their products, without telling people it is "Linux", much the same way that every other successful device manufacturer has outside of the desktop. They promote the product, not the operating system.

 

RedHat, Suse, are possibly the largest contributers to Linux, via kernel upstream, and GUI work. They don't "market" that, they just do it. They promote software products for servers, data centers, network infrastructures, Virtual Systems, Main Frames, Super Computers. That is where they make their money. They are not trying to market to desktop users.

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They are not trying to market to desktop users.

lol...i know.

the linux community needs to do a much better job on reaching those people.

linux will not take up any significant portion of the pc market until this happens.

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It will, it just isn't the priority of an "reputable" linux distributions at the time. No I don't consider ~buntu reputable. ;)

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Now Dell sells PCs with preinstalled Windows 8 only. There is a contract between MS and Dell so Dell is no longer able to seel PCs without Windows in it. Anyway Windows 8 is actually aimed to Android.

Edited by sijugk

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yeah, i have no idea what that means. if he means that win8 is aimed to compete with android, then he is partially correct when it comes to tablets and phones, but that doesn't explain why the monstrosity is on desktops and laptops.

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but that doesn't explain why the monstrosity is on desktops and laptops.

 

because they hope the users will get used to it and want a windows os and phone too.

 

it's the one os/gui for all mentality that even ubuntu are going with too.

 

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