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Bruce

 

 

 

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"I love your Christ! I don't like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

 

 

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I fully comprehend the statement. Without understanding what is required in order to truthfully and genuinely claim to be a Christian, so many claim to be a "Christ like one".

 

Faith and obedience are prerequisites of genuine Christianity.

 

Hebrews 11:5-7 (King James Version)

 

5) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

6) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

 

 

Through no fault of our own, we inherited a sin nature from Adam.

Nevertheless, seeing (not at our expense) Sin must be recompensed.

Christ was crucified once for all men, buried and rose again victorious over sin and the grave.

 

Romans 5 (King James Version)

 

12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

 

14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

 

15) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

 

16) And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

 

17) For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

 

 

Now, for the obedience part of the equation God commands us to repent of our sins.

 

Acts 2 (King James Version)

 

29) Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

 

30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

 

31) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

 

32) This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

 

33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

 

34) For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

 

35) Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

 

36) Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

37) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

 

38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

 

 

This is not to suggest Baptism has any efficacy, with respect to forgiveness / cleansing of sin. But rather that it is representative of ones obedience and reconciliation to God through Christ.

 

 

The only work we can do:

 

 

John 6 (King James Version)

 

27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

 

28) Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

 

29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

30) They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

 

31) Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

 

32) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

 

33) For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

 

34) Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

 

35) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

 

36) But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

 

37) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

 

38) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

 

39) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

40) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

41) The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

 

42) And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

 

43) Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

 

44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

45) It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

 

46) Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

 

47) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

 

48) I am that bread of life.

 

49) Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

 

50) This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

 

51) I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

 

52) The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

 

53) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

 

54) Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

55) For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

 

56) He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

 

57) As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

 

58) This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

 

59) These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

 

60) Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

 

61) When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

 

62) What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

 

63) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

64) But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

 

65) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

 

66) From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

 

67) Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

 

68) Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

 

69) And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

 

 

John 3 (King James Version)

 

1) There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

 

2) The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

 

3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

 

4) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

 

5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 

8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

9) Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

 

10) Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

 

11) Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

 

12) If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

 

13) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

 

14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

 

15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

 

16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

 

Romans 10 (King James Version)

 

1) Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

 

2) For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

 

3) For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

 

4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

5) For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

 

6) But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

 

7) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

 

8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 

9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 

10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

 

12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

 

13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once one has confessed his or her sin to Christ.

Once one has received Christ as his or her Lord and Saviour.

By continued Faith and Obedience it can be believed one is genuinely a Christian.

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What point are you trying to make here?

 

 

The first two sentences are the synopsis of the post.

 

Followed by Scripture references outlining how one can become and be legitimately recognized as a genuine Christian.

 

 

Note: Edited to correct the first sentence in this post.

Edited by Kojak

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Followed by Scripture references outlining how one can become and be legitimately recognized as a genuine Christian.

legitimately recognised by whom???

 

:b33r:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKfZrbS79To :adios:

 

I like my signature.thats why I put it there.

I like Bruces as well.

 

 

Hollywood always manages to produce the spectacular.

Unfortunately Hollywood isn't in the movie business to produce and publish what is good and true.

Typically, Hollywood is in the business of producing and publishing what is often sensational and/or naughty.

Thus satisfying the typically prurient interests of society.

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legitimately recognised by whom???

 

:b33r:

 

By any individual who has noted and drawn a conclusion,

where the conduct of any man or woman claiming Christ has been observed.

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By any individual who has noted and drawn a conclusion,

only god can judge if i'm a christian, anyone else's opinion means nothing, and isn't worth worrying about. ;)

 

where the conduct of any man or woman claiming Christ has been observed.

if they claimed they saw christ i'd have concerns on their mental health. :lol:

 

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Well copy and pasting a bunch of lines from a book written by men and selectively put together by a Roman Emperor ain't what makes one. :lol:

 

Glad it sparked your brain a little, ponder it for a while, save the flood of bold lines. Because all the reading of words written by men are useless.

 

You can can even go to a building and pay someone to tell you what it means. It won't make you one.

 

I've got to run now, my gay friend is calling about a parade they are having. I need to find out the date. Buh Bye

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You have been accused of being judgmental and ridiculed because of your religious beliefs...Welcome to the Pit !!!

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only god can judge if i'm a christian, anyone else's opinion means nothing, and isn't worth worrying about. ;)

if they claimed they saw christ i'd have concerns on their mental health. :lol:

 

:b33r:

 

"Only god can judge if I'm a christian".

 

This is true.

 

Contextually, in any given sentence, the term "Judgment" will be defined as either discernment or condemnation. Condemnation is strictly within the purview of God. Ones observable conduct can be and often is indicative of what is in their heart. This is discernment. Sometime we're right. Sometimes we're wrong. We all make observations and draw conclusions. It is imperative therefore, that every man or woman genuinely claiming Christ carry themselves in such a manner as to be above justifiable reproach. For every claimant of Christ (by Faith and Obedience) is an Ambassador for the cause of Christ.

 

 

"anyone else's opinion means nothing, and isn't worth worrying about".

 

There is a grain of truth in that statement. However, I must respectfully disagree. If, as a claimant of Christ, the things I say and the things I do are not in agreement, my testimony is compromised. Accordingly, one who might otherwise have been motivated to seek reconciliation with God through Christ by my observable conduct may temporarily or permanently be discouraged from doing so. The conclusion: What opinions others may hold of me are of consequence where eternity is concerned.

 

 

 

 

"if they claimed they saw christ i'd have concerns on their mental health".

 

I see the humor. However, deception is Satan's business. Under the Law, (not having the complete written word of God) God used signs to make his presence and will known. In this day and age, we have the complete word of God. Signs are no longer employed by God.

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Well copy and pasting a bunch of lines from a book written by men and selectively put together by a Roman Emperor ain't what makes one. :lol:

 

Glad it sparked your brain a little, ponder it for a while, save the flood of bold lines. Because all the reading of words written by men are useless.

 

You can can even go to a building and pay someone to tell you what it means. It won't make you one.

 

I've got to run now, my gay friend is calling about a parade they are having. I need to find out the date. Buh Bye

 

 

 

Having been created in the image of God, we were given free will. I can't convince you of anything. Only the Spirit of God can do that.

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But I don't need you to convince me of anything. Most of all I never asked you to convince me of anything!

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Well said Kojak, well said.

 

 

As is appropriate, I thank God first for your compliment.

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But I don't need you to convince me of anything. Most of all I never asked you to convince me of anything!

 

Bruce,

 

 

This is an open forum. As such, my commentary is generally available for anyone wanting to read it.

Your signature was my inspiration. Be assured, I do not think myself better than any other for my Faith.

As I said elsewhere, Condemnation is strictly within the purview of God.

 

 

 

Peace,

 

Kojak

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But your comment was to "me" when you said you couldn't convince me.

 

I simply replied back I didn't ask you to try and convince me of anything. ;)

 

If your statements are to be general then you should not institute threads about individuals and then quote what they have said in your replies.

 

The whole thread after all is about "me" and my signature.

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But your comment was to "me" when you said you couldn't convince me.

 

I simply replied back I didn't ask you to try and convince me of anything. ;)

 

If your statements are to be general then you should not institute threads about individuals and then quote what they have said in your replies.

 

The whole thread after all is about "me" and my signature.

 

Albeit, with other words, I will reiterate.

 

 

Your name was used at the beginning of the post, solely for the purpose of identifying the owner of the signature C/P'd below your name. Subsequent to that, neither you nor any other member of this forum was specifically addressed when drafting the remainder of the original post in this thread. Any other commentary posted by me was in direct response to subsequent posts written to me. Clearly, the contents of my original post has struck a resonant chord with you. You are the only one responding defensively.This thread was not about you. This thread is about what I was inspired to write by the signature you have chosen to use in your posts.

 

I have no control over your thought process. I have no control over your perception and perspective.

I have no control over how this may or may not move you emotionally. Only you have control in these areas.

 

 

 

Again, I say, Peace,

 

Kojak

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What about my sig, does it not provoke thoughts and stir the pot with a big spoon as well ?

 

Bear

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What about my sig, does it not provoke thoughts and stir the pot with a big spoon as well ?

 

Bear

 

 

That depends on the price... ;):lol:

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This thread is about what I was inspired to write by the signature you have chosen to use in your posts.

 

 

 

I always thought Bruce 4:16 was much more inspiring.

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I always thought Bruce 4:16 was much more inspiring.

 

 

 

That depends upon the reader thereof.

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inspired me anyway bruce.. :lol:

 

kojak

 

There is a grain of truth in that statement. However, I must respectfully disagree. If, as a claimant of Christ, the things I say and the things I do are not in agreement, my testimony is compromised. Accordingly, one who might otherwise have been motivated to seek reconciliation with God through Christ by my observable conduct may temporarily or permanently be discouraged from doing so. The conclusion: What opinions others may hold of me are of consequence where eternity is concerned.

to me that sounds like you have a very high opinion of yourself and very little faith in god. :shrug:

 

do you really think god would allow your actions to decide who he allows into heaven? :nono:

 

In this day and age, we have the complete word of God. Signs are no longer employed by God.

how do you know this??

 

surely no-one knows what god's thinking or doing.

 

i'm pretty sure people get signs from god every day that reinforces or starts a belief in him. ;)

 

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