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First is the political nature of the actual contracting which rewards White House friends and cronies to the detriment of the tax-payers.

so wait, those folks who cleaned out our lake after Ivan were the president's cronies? o_O Edited by The1PatO

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I called him dumb and what have I done lately? raised a kid singlehandedly, take care of an 87 year old woman who is losing her mind daily, hope and pray the eye dr I am taking my kid to will help him to finally drive before hes 20 years old, still manage to keep this household fed, clothed and somewhat happy on not a whole lot of money.

 

Can bush say that? nope. Hes never wanted for a thing. So yeah I can say hes dumb and theres nothing superficial about it in the least. Hes never struggled a day in his life for anything. Money and influence got him where he is.. not his brains by any means of the word.

AMEN.

 

 

 

so wait, those folks who cleaned out our lake after Ivan were the president's cronies?

Of course not. Those people who cleaned out your lake were the ones whose wages he wanted to depress. Edited by rhizome

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I called him dumb and what have I done lately? raised a kid singlehandedly, take care of an 87 year old woman who is losing her mind daily, hope and pray the eye dr I am taking my kid to will help him to finally drive before hes 20 years old, still manage to keep this household fed, clothed and somewhat happy on not a whole lot of money.

 

Can bush say that? nope. Hes never wanted for a thing. So yeah I can say hes dumb and theres nothing superficial about it in the least. Hes never struggled a day in his life for anything. Money and influence got him where he is.. not his brains by any means of the word.

 

B) And theres my two cents for the day

the same can be said for almost any major politician, rising to political power through wealth and influence isn't something President Bush just invented.

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Raising minimum wage is a theory that has no merit for helping the poor. The higher the wages go, the lower the companies profits get and then they will lay people off to maintain their profits. You have to figure that the sole purpose of business is to make money. There are many proven methods to raising the standard of living however employing those methods cost alot of taxpayer money to get started.

Wow that from a Canadian. Kewl. :beer:

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AMEN.

 

 

 

 

Of course not. Those people who cleaned out your lake were the ones whose wages he wanted to depress.

the kind of clean up I've seen after major hurricanes here hasn't been by major corporations, it's usually just a bunch of different businesses, who's owners you, most of the time, can actually meet.

 

have yet to see one haliburton truck come down my street to clean up debris. I saw a lot of "tom's trucking, inc" though, and other companies like it.

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Let's clear up a concept. Impeachment. A President can have articles of impeachment drawn up against him by the House of Representatives. But, the trial is conducted by the Senate with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presiding. A President is not impeached unless found guilty of one of the articles drawn up by the House. As long as the Republicans control the Congress there is little likelyhood that any of this will happen. Await next year's elections. Contrary to all the reasons put forth for pro/con impeachment, there is an impeachable offense that may stick: the President lied to the Congress about the events leading up to the Iraq war. It appears that there may have been other cover ups as well. When taken together, it could be quite an interesting show. As for Clinton, he was just one of some recent Presidents who were involved in affairs of one sort or another including Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and probably Johnson. Don't recall anyone making a big deal over it.

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Let's clear up a concept. Impeachment. A President can have articles of impeachment drawn up against him by the House of Representatives. But, the trial is conducted by the Senate with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presiding. A President is not impeached unless found guilty of one of the articles drawn up by the House. As long as the Republicans control the Congress there is little likelyhood that any of this will happen. Await next year's elections. Contrary to all the reasons put forth for pro/con impeachment, there is an impeachable offense that may stick: the President lied to the Congress about the events leading up to the Iraq war. It appears that there may have been other cover ups as well. When taken together, it could be quite an interesting show. As for Clinton, he was just one of some recent Presidents who were involved in affairs of one sort or another including Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and probably Johnson. Don't recall anyone making a big deal over it.

The other Presidents did not lie about the affairs under oath in a Federal Court and then try to tamper with witnesses and evidence to cover up the purjury. Bush has done none of these. Also you have to assume Bush knew there were no weapons of mass destruction to charge him with lying to congress. The information Bush had from the FBI, CIA, The UK, and the Russian Government all said tha Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. So that is why he cannot be impeached for lying to Congress, because you cannot prove beyond a reasonable dout that Bush knew at the time the information was false. This Bush lied crap is getting old. All politicians lie, so get over it.

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Contrary to all the reasons put forth for pro/con impeachment, there is an impeachable offense that may stick: the President lied to the Congress about the events leading up to the Iraq war.

Show me where. Really. The actual transcripts. The FULL transcripts.

 

I have read them and have yet to find what you are speaking of. There are simply thousands of pages of it. I have posted links to much of it in the past. I am not interested in media reports and distortions of what was presented but what was actually presented.

 

Cover up? How can there be a cover up of what is already public information and has been all along?

Edited by Chopdoc

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I can't find any evidence from economists that an increase in minimum wage causes a loss of jobs. Is there a citation. Yes I have read company's and business owners make that assertion but I cannot find empirical support.

 

I don't understand why price gouging which is allowing prices to rise in the presence of market demands is bad for the macro economy but lowering wages which is allowing wages to fall to meet demand is good for the economy? Can someone explain this?

 

Isn't it true that capitalist economic theory holds that in a free market the wage would fall to the somewhere near the lowest wage? Since Southeast Asian Labor is less than a $1 a day shouldn't that become the prevailing wage in the US?

 

Aren't physician's incomes inflated by demand (i.e., sick people) in the presence of short supply (i.e, medications can only be prescribed by physicians unlike some countries where one can buy "prescription" medications without prescriptions). Perhaps people should be allowed to write their own prescriptions and thus address medical inflation.

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Actually, no, physician incomes are a bit odd that way. In the highest demand environments they typically make less money, a lot less money. In cushy low demand environments, they typically make a lot more. It is counterintuitive I know. Of course that is a generalization and I am not addressing specialists and ultraspecialists versus generalists, my statement lumps them all together.

 

 

 

 

Gouging isn't really an increase in price reflecting market demands, it is artificial and malicious. At least that is what I understand of it. I have seen people sell water for $10 a bottle. That is simply malicious, not economics.

 

 

I did some reading a few months ago in economics and minimum wage, academic stuff. I would say that minimum wage economics are simply too complex to boil down to a single consistent effect. A statemen that it drives employment in either direction consistently is hazardous I think. But that is just my general take on it.

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Wow that from a Canadian. Kewl. :beer:

Well I am taking my Business and commerce degree, I hope I know what I am talking about.

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:rofl2: all this and its not even near election time yet. whoo hooo

 

wonder how much further in the ground he can run this country and get it into debt before he finally vacates the white house. shoot in fact just leave the white house now and stay on the ranch. it seems to be his preference anyway. B)

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He isn't single handedly running it into the ground any faster than any of the others since Reagan did- he's just really good at making it look like he is.

 

Personally I think it is really funny that we have Alfred E. Newman as our president.

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Hey Ms Evil, I am over it as far as Bush is concerned. But you missed a step on Clinton. Everyone just had to get into his personal life didn't they, had to do the :filtered: thing. Didn't have anything to do with his job, did it? Well I suspect if someone was in your bedroom you reaction might be the same.

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When I go to the football game I walk from the parking lot to the 7/11 and buy an cents bottle of water. Usually by the time I get into the stadium I have finished the water. I sit down in 92 degree heat with no wind and 90% humidity. So after about the first quarter I go get a bottle of water for $4.25 That isn't price gouging? That is just supply & demand?

 

Yes poor countries with a low standard of living have a surplus of physicians relative to the population that can pay for services although well below the AMA guidelines of physicians per capita. Because such poor countries have weak licensing laws many people practice well beyond what would be acceptable in the US and they have pharmaceuticals available without physician prescription. Medical care is much cheaper in such countries.

 

In the US medical schools and osteopathic schools keep enrollment down so that fewer physicians are produced. Supply is low relative to demand. The population has limited access to pharmaceuticals also keeping prices up.

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I think one of the funniest things that you learn in history class is that George Washington once said that we should not form political parties because it would eventually tear the country apart.

 

Political parties being formed is what cause him to draft his Farewell Address.

 

EDIT: sorry if i confused you, but i was responding to brandons post..which is the third one on this thread.

Edited by porksandwich9113

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Hey Ms Evil, I am over it as far as Bush is concerned.  But you missed a step on Clinton.  Everyone just had to get into his personal life didn't they, had to do the :filtered: thing.  Didn't have anything to do with his job, did it?  Well I suspect if someone was in your bedroom you reaction might be the same.

It is Mr. not Ms. Excuse me but the sexual harrasment laws in place that led to Mr Clinton having to give testimony was championed by his party and his own wife. The president is not above the same laws the rest of us are obligated to comply with. Therefore it was the courts bussiness. Edited by mstlyevil

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When I go to the football game I walk from the parking lot to the 7/11 and buy an cents bottle of water. Usually by the time I get into the stadium I have finished the water. I sit down in 92 degree heat with no wind and 90% humidity. So after about the first quarter I go get a bottle of water for $4.25 That isn't price gouging? That is just supply & demand?

 

Yes poor countries with a low standard of living have a surplus of physicians relative to the population that can pay for services although well below the AMA guidelines of physicians per capita. Because such poor countries have weak licensing laws many people practice well beyond what would be acceptable in the US and they have pharmaceuticals available without physician prescription. Medical care is much cheaper in such countries.

 

In the US medical schools and osteopathic schools keep enrollment down so that fewer physicians are produced. Supply is low relative to demand. The population has limited access to pharmaceuticals also keeping prices up.

Yes, class sizes are limited, but then we simply have a constant influx of FMGs and a long standing trend toward putting paraprofessionals where we actually need physicians. My father, my brother, and myself are all FMGs.

 

 

The limitations on class size have more to do with funding and resources in general. There are simply limits to what is available. The major portion of the cost of medical education is absorbed by the healthcare system at many levels. It is so complex that nobody has ever been able to come up with an accepted number for the cost of medical education. There are of course a limited number of schools as well. Creating a medical school is no small task.

 

 

Incidentally, it is harder to get into veterinary school in the US than it is to get into medical school. I always thought that was odd. I have a lot of respect for vets.

 

Even just within the US there is a counterintuitive disparity of physician incomes when you compare high demand versus low demand areas. There are many high demand areas simply begging for doctors and offering many incentives to come, but they still can't compete against the higher paying low demand areas in general. Of course there are exceptions, but that is the overall lay of the land. It seems that the essential problem is that no matter how much or how little health doctors cost, people don't want to pay them. They are not a priority to individuals, they want it to be somebody else's problem in this country, like the government or the etherial "they"....but people will pay lot's of money for concert or football tickets. Odd.

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He isn't single handedly running it into the ground any faster than any of the others since Reagan did- he's just really good at making it look like he is.

When Bill Clinton left office, the US had a record surplus. Bush and Bush are the only other presidents since Reagan, but no president has turned things around faster than the current Bush--from record surplus to record deficit in the blink of an eye.

 

I don't think that there are any impeachable offenses that are known to have been committed by George Bush. I know of no elected official, Republican or Democrat, that is calling for impeachment.

 

But, keep this in mind. The Republican Congress approved over $50 million dollars to fund the independent Whitewater Investigation against Clinton--it was the most expensive criminal investigation in history. Few people could withstand such scutiny. After spending all of that money and effort, the only crime found was his perjury regarding an extra-marital affair. The Republican Congress refuses to authorize an independent investigation of the Bush Administration. In fact, they have done all they can to thwart any investigation, independent or otherwise, of Republican office holders--just note their attempts to neuter the House Ethics Committee and their insistence in controlling investigations into their own activites.

 

Now, remember that the perjury charge against Clinton did not come to light until the investigation was almost completed--criminal activities are rarely committed in broad daylight and accompanied by press releases. With the exception of the Plame case, there are no independent investigations into the Bush Administration's activities, although a Grand Jury investigation out of Washington DC has led to the arrest of David Safavian. (BTW, Safavian's wife is the Republicans' legal counsel on the House Committee on Government Reform which is charged with overseeing Safavian's activities.)

 

So, what would an earnest investigation of the administration yield? If Bush were forced to endure the same level of scrutiny that was applied to Clinton, how would he fare?

Edited by rhizome

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I am so relieved to know that we are not in debt that 300 million people are simply being mislead into the belief that the US Govt. doesn't owe trillions of dollars. Although I don't take much comfort from the President's failure to correct this misinformation. But perhaps he is on vacation again.

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smoke and mirrors

 

 

 

dont forget enrons books said they were making money

:rofl2: Republican denial. :rofl2:

 

It is a fact that when Bill Clinton left office, the US was running a record surplus.

 

 

 

So, what would an earnest investigation of the administration yield? If Bush were forced to endure the same level of scrutiny that was applied to Clinton, how would he fare?

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The surplus was huge, but it wouldn't have been as big as it was if it weren't for the dotcom madness and the rampant book cooking it brought with it. Losing the surplus I don't blame Bush for... it is the record deficit that he caused AFTER the surplus was lost that I place blame on him for.

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