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#1 lse123

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 02:59 PM

For build your self PC needed motherboard/processor... overclocking enable...  for web/mobile/software development [+ running VMs] and some video editing but not professional editing ?


#2 nigsy

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 01:30 AM

I guess it depends on budget.

 

I'm a big fan of AMD chips paired with Gigabyte boards; so anything from the AMD FX range is ok. They are unlocked for overclocking as well. Any socket AM3+ is ok in my books.

 

What you will need is a decent amount of RAM so think 12gb (I'd go for 32gb - 4 x 8gb matched pairs) or more that way you can give the VM's a decent amount of RAM to run with and still be able to edit video on the host machine.

 

Think about cooling as well. Running multiple VM's generates a lot of heat especially as you're going to need a reasonable PSU to power the whole lot!!

 

Let us know what your budget is and we'll give you a steer.

 

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 03:04 AM

PC Build - Medium Budget : 600-1000$ - out SSD since I have one Sandisk 960GB SATAIII ULTRA II

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  • Web Development / Web Design / Mobile Development / Desktop Development [Software Development]
  • Graphics Design & some Video Editing [Not Prof]
  • Will connect 2 monitors : 4K and 2K Resolution
  • Will run Virtual Machines in Hypervisors like Virtual Box or Parallels or Hyper-V


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 03:05 AM

personally i'd base a new build on either the new amd ryzen cpu's or intel i7 cpu's, budget allowing.

 

usually the more cores a cpu has the better, along with more ram as nigsy pointed out. i'd skip 12GB though and go either 8,16,32GB just because you can run in dual or quad(if supported.) channel where as with an odd number of sticks(3x4GB) to make 12GB you'd only be running single channel.

 

:b33r:

 

seems we made a post at the same time so didn't see your reply before i posted mine lse123.

 

running 4k and 2k monitors will need a powerful gpu, so that will eat up a lot of your budget but i'm sure nigsy can suggest parts that will give you a descent pc for around the $1000 mark.

 

even though you already have a 1TB ssd, i'd still suggest putting in a smaller ssd for the os if it can be squeezed it into the budget, while keeping the 1TB ssd for data.

 

if you want to try and compile your own build then a good site for test building a pc and seeing if the parts are compatible is this one. :- https://pcpartpicker.com/

 

personally i think this build they put together would suit you just fine if you can afford it. :- https://pcpartpicker...md-gaming-build

 

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Edited by terry1966, 03 August 2017 - 03:23 AM.


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 03:06 AM

PROCESSOR+MOTHERBOARD below 350 Euro



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Posted 03 August 2017 - 03:07 AM

personally i'd base a new build on either the new amd ryzen cpu's or intel i7 cpu's, budget allowing.

 

usually the more cores a cpu has the better, along with more ram as nigsy pointed out. i'd skip 12GB though and go either 8,16,32GB just because you can run in dual or quad(if supported.) channel where as with an odd number of sticks(3x4GB) to make 12GB you'd only be running single channel.

 

:b33r:

 

for 8GB + 4GB only 2 slots - is it Single or Dual channel???



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Posted 03 August 2017 - 03:49 AM

seems i was still editing and posting my original reply when you added more reply's, sorry about that, it's a bad habit i have of posting then instantly editing it for clarity or more info i think is relevant, so i suggest you re-read it again. :blush:

 

visit that site and it should show up in the currency you require, if not change it near top right. thought you was in america when you said a budget of between 600-1000$.

 

the motherboard and cpu combo in the build comes to about 325 euros if my price conversion is correct

 

for dual channel i'd suggest memory stick's of the same size, but motherboard dependent you can run dual channel with 8GB+4GB sticks, 4GB of the 8GB stick would be accessed in single channel though. with intel this is called flex mode. see this article all about ram. :- http://www.tomshardw...aq,4154.html#p5

 

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Edited by terry1966, 03 August 2017 - 04:16 AM.


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 06:14 AM

what about this? how understand an Intel processor includes fan?

 

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 06:16 AM

I prefer Intel only cpu



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Posted 03 August 2017 - 08:44 AM

Not a fan of single sticks of RAM - Go for a matched pair. Single stick is a single point of failure.

 

You will need a separate graphics card; you don't need nothing mad but something that can handle multiple HDef monitors with a decent framerate

a GTX 1050ti would be perfect. The i5 might struggle under load with multiple monitors.

 

Editing and rendering video are different beasts; if you do a lot of editing (especially 1080p above) you need GPU speeds (the GTX is good for this) if you need to render large video you need decent amount of onboard RAM.

 

If you are also running VM's you will need to give over 4gb of RAM per VM for reasonable use; but that does depend on what you are running.

 

The i5 does come with it's own capable fan for normal use. For what you want you will need to go water cooled or a large internal fan.

 

I would also look at the PSU; 600w is good but it doesn't leave a lot of room for anything extra....like the SSD for the OS as Terry suggests; iwould be looking at 750w +.

 

I'm at work at the moment so can't access any decent sites to link you to components; but check out overclockers.com; see if you can get a deal on motherboard/chip combos.


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 10:35 AM

because is my first build I will buy later GPU

forget video edit i do two times a year and even these simple editing Not prof

for the other purposes this is OK

may buy another 16GB stick later like I will get the GPU

SSD I already have 

 

// to test if boots - just  after assembly - the processor fan not required - can put after ensure it boots right... ?

 

PC Build - Medium Budget : 600-1000$ - out SSD since I have one Sandisk 960GB SATAIII ULTRA II

PC Purpose :

  • Web Development / Web Design / Mobile Development / Desktop Development [Software Development]
  • Graphics Design & some Video Editing [Not Prof]
  • Will connect 2 monitors : 4K and 2K Resolution
  • Will run Virtual Machines in Hypervisors like Virtual Box or Parallels or Hyper-V


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 03:34 AM

Intel K processors (unlocked) include processor fan? Or some may include?



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Posted 04 August 2017 - 03:45 AM

OK try this lot:

 

https://www.scan.co....-13-15-15-28-xm(matched Pair)

 

https://www.scan.co....che-1987-mm-hei  (Put your OS and software on your ssd and use this for storage)

 

https://www.scan.co....00mhz-gpu-65w-c(If you want unlocked for overclocking check out AMD over intel)

 

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-h270m-ds3h-intel-h270-s-1151-ddr4-satae-m2-2-way-crossfire-realtek-gbe-usb-31-gen1-a-micro- 

 

https://www.scan.co....-plus12v-1x135m(Check that this will fit in a  MIcro ATX case!!)

 

 

 

Stick with whatever case you like. The CPU comes with a fan as standard. This will be powerful enough for what you need. You can add GPU etc at a later date; the CPU and PSU should future proof you for a few years.

 

I've included a hybrid HHD/SSD as this will help with write / retrieve speeds for any video you may store / edit.

 

There is no OS - So I asume you have a windows disk or are going down the Linux route.

 

Edit;

 

 

 

// to test if boots - just  after assembly - the processor fan not required - can put after ensure it boots right... ?

 

NO!! Never run CPU without a fan!! Chances are it won't boot anyway as it will detect no fan; but these things heat up in seconds!! You will damage or shorten it's life considerably!


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 09:23 AM

OK try this lot:

 

https://www.scan.co....-13-15-15-28-xm(matched Pair)

 

https://www.scan.co....che-1987-mm-hei  (Put your OS and software on your ssd and use this for storage)

 

https://www.scan.co....00mhz-gpu-65w-c(If you want unlocked for overclocking check out AMD over intel)

 

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-h270m-ds3h-intel-h270-s-1151-ddr4-satae-m2-2-way-crossfire-realtek-gbe-usb-31-gen1-a-micro- 

 

https://www.scan.co....-plus12v-1x135m(Check that this will fit in a  MIcro ATX case!!)

 

 

 

Stick with whatever case you like. The CPU comes with a fan as standard. This will be powerful enough for what you need. You can add GPU etc at a later date; the CPU and PSU should future proof you for a few years.

 

I've included a hybrid HHD/SSD as this will help with write / retrieve speeds for any video you may store / edit.

 

There is no OS - So I asume you have a windows disk or are going down the Linux route.

 

Edit;

 

 

NO!! Never run CPU without a fan!! Chances are it won't boot anyway as it will detect no fan; but these things heat up in seconds!! You will damage or shorten it's life considerably!

 

I mean before install W10Pro OS.... well needed fan in case? only run BIOS/UEFI needed fan? 

 

 

Just wondering Intel unlocked CPU K  also come with fan included? I will look soon in your links now I will turn off PC...



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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:02 PM

If you have seated the CPU my advice is to always ensure it's cooler is attached; the case fans don't need to be. It's up to you though. I'm sure all CPU's come with fans, but you can always check before you order.


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:44 PM

"case" not meant PC case just "situation" mean... anyway to only run BIOS/UEFI needed fan/sink attached and operated?? After all ok[bios/uefi run ok],... i will attach fan / sink... retest if fan ok spins... and after install OS Win 10 Pro... well, can be like this????



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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:54 PM

you need to install cpu into motherboard and ALWAYS!! attach the heatsink and fan on top of it before ever running power through it, even just to test things.

 

do your research, cpu's can be sold as a retail package which comes with the heatsink and fan and also the same cpu can be sold without a heatsink and fan. also some cpu's can only be bought without a heatsink and fan.

 

eg. i5 7600 with heatsink and fan included, notice model number BX80677I57600 :- https://www.newegg.c...N82E16819117729

 

same i5 7600 cpu but no heatsink and fan included, notice model number CM8067702868011 :- https://www.newegg.c...=9SIA98C5MK9836

 

BX means it comes in a box so much more likely to also come with heatsink and fan included, CM means no box so definitely no heatsink and fan included.

i think all intel k cpu's are now only sold without a heatsink and fan whether bx or cm since skylake but may be wrong on this.

 

the cpu you originally linked to didn't come with heatsink and fan. :- https://www.singular...7702867915.html

so you would have needed to buy one separately and have both cpu and heatsink to hand before you could begin the build.

also i'd never recommend buying T cpu's unless you were putting it in a low power system. eg. a media server running 24/7.

 

i still think you'd be better off building a ryzen5 1600x with it's 6 cores and 12 threads system over an i5 4 core 4 thread system, but the choice is yours to make. the i5 system will still be a good pc especially if you go for the faster i5's like the unlocked i5 7600k.

 

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Edited by terry1966, 04 August 2017 - 07:53 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 03:03 AM

 

 

i still think you'd be better off building a ryzen5 1600x with it's 6 cores and 12 threads system over an i5 4 core 4 thread system, but the choice is yours to make. the i5 system will still be a good pc especially if you go for the faster i5's like the unlocked i5 7600k.

 

:b33r:

 

Totally agree on the Ryzen. These things are factory unlocked and ripe for OCing!


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 05:55 AM

just for added info to give an idea about differences between i5's and ryzen cpu's.

best rendering cpu :- https://www.cgdirect...-for-rendering/

 

notice i5 7600k only scores 710 while ryzen r5 1600x scores 1136

 

the cost of the i5 is 280.27 euros and the ryzen costs 292.08 euros from the site you linked.

https://www.singular...677i57600k.html

https://www.singular...60xbcaewof.html

 

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Edited by terry1966, 05 August 2017 - 06:09 AM.


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Posted 06 August 2017 - 12:50 PM

Intel chip-set motherboards are Only for Intel processors?

 

this only intel processors?

ASUS PRIME Z270M-PLUS / Motherboard / micro ATX / LGA1151 Socket / Z270 / USB 3.0, USB-C / Gigabit LAN / onboard graphics (CPU required) / HD Audio (8-channel) | 90MB0S50-M0EAY0

1 x 160.56 €

 

Can you tell an equivalent motherboard to ^^^ but for Ryzen >>> ? https://www.singular...60xbcaewof.html

 

you say

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you need to install cpu into motherboard and ALWAYS!! attach the heatsink and fan on top of it before ever running power through it, even just to test things.

 

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I can install heat-sink and fan but WITH-OUT put the THERMAL INTERFACE MATERIAL for test, and after ready to install OS put this material, attach heat sink and fan, open PC, if again all ok install the OS? 





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